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T.A.B.

I also hear that he was a guard in a concentration camp at 17. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jewish community becomes more vocal about this in the near future.

Z

I, too, have been "disciplined" by Catholic readers who feel that ANY commentary that is not glowing and positive about the Pope or papal activities is condemnatory towards them.

Josh

No, he did not guard a concentration camp. After being drafted into the German Army, he was put in an anti-aircraft unit stationed to defend a BMW manufacturing plant. The plant used some slave labour from Dachau.

I recommend this article from the Jerusalem Post to relieve your Hitler Youth fears.

Esther

Thanks, Josh. Everyone should read this article, too...

DovBear

That J-Post article is pathetic. You should read the London Sunday Times article to which it refers.

For the record, I don't think Ratzi was a Nazi, but it must be recalled that many German concientious objectors chose Dachau over the German military or the Hitler Youth. Ratzi did not, but he was a teen-ager so we'll give him the BOD.

His theology on the other hand is a problem, a big problem, despite the J-Post's attempt to gloss it over. His view of a man who has not come to Jesus is roughly akin to the ciew of a white Southerner toward a black man in the Jim Crow south. Ratzi thinks -and hes said it enough times - that without Jesus we can't be fully saved, which is a little like saying we can't be fully human.

This is an old Catholic view, one that's been the cause of much sorrow over the last 200 years. And the new Pope says it plainly with no apologies.

anna

regardless of religious affiliations, just look how this is educating us on so many other religions and relations. i love living history.

also, notice how quickly it took them to vote. that says a lot about Ratzi and what the cardinals think of him. there is surely good in him, a heap of it.

Yaron

DovBear - I assume you mean 2000. Not that I take any offense at a pope who actually (gasp!) believes in Catholic doctrine.

"Pope Baruch", not bad.

DovBear

Not that I take any offense at a pope who actually (gasp!) believes in Catholic doctrine.


So now you're quoting the J-Post, Yaron? That line wasn't anymore convincing when I saw it in the post. Look, I know that a Pope is "supposed" to beleive in Catholic doctrine, but why are we supposed to pretend that this theology is harmless? Why are we supposed to pretend that 2000 years of terror weren't caused by that theology?

Why are you so blase? Why can't we say, after 2000, years that we're not putting up with that crap anymore?

Yaron

I didn't realize I was quoting the J-Post, but then again it's a pretty obvious line. Call me blase, but I'm really unconcerned about the "Jews are going to hell" statements. In the 12th century those translated into violence, of course, but, at this point, we have bigger concerns. Note that in the 20th century it was anti-religious movements, in the form of Nazism and Communism, that killed more Jews (and other people) than all previous religious edicts had, combined.

DovBear

And do you think Nazism would have been so succesful, if the Church hadn't readied the soil, providing the justification, the template, and the dry-runs for all of Hitler's programs?

Yaron

Well, this is quite a complex historical question, but I'd say there's a limit to how much you can blame one group for the actions of another group, even if there was some inspiration. The Nazis were inspired by many things (Communism, Nietzsche, German history) but ultimately you have to put the responsibility where it belongs.

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